An interview with Michael
Szmanski and Robyn Ochs
They have sex with men. They have sex with women. Many
people think that's the working definition of bisexual. It
seems like these days more people are talking about their
sleeping with both men and women, but fewer are actually
calling themselves bi. Temenos turned to leaders of the
Bisexual Community to give us their take on our three case
studies.
CASE STUDY 1. 'LESBIAN AT FIRST SIGHT' ANNE HECHE
TEMENOS: In Wednesday
night's interview with Barbara Walter's, Anne Heche says sex
with Ellen was the best sex she ever had. Anne was a 'love at
first site' lesbian with Ellen, and now identifies as a
straight (and married woman). Was she ever bisexual?
MICHAEL: This falls in my "walks like a duck quacks
like a duck" theory, and I think not only is she bisexual,
she's ALWAYS been bisexual. She obviously doesn't like to use
the B-word, and yet, everything she says and does is very
bisexual. She doesn't care about a person's gender, she cares
about the person, and that's bisexual. If only she knew the
word!
ROBYN: First, I want to say something about your
introduction. One of the greatest difficulties in talking
about bisexuality is that identity and behavior are not the
same things, yet the two are constantly being confused.
Calling oneself bisexual is not synonymous with actively
having sex with both men and women. Choosing to self-identify
as bisexual is about choosing to recognize that you have the
potential to be sexually attracted to people of more than one
sex. I have self-identified as bisexual for 25 years and have
not had sex with a man in almost 10 years. I've had
attractions to one or two men during that time, but no sex.
And that doesn't make me any less bisexual - it's just that
I'm a bisexual woman partnered with a woman, and we have
chosen a monogamous relationship. I'm not defined by what I
do, I'm defined by what I feel.
Now, to answer your question: As I've said, there's a big
difference between identity and behavior. Anne Heche's
behavioral history is bisexual. As far as her identity is
concerned: she's the only one who can answer that question. In
fact, when Barbara Walters asked her if she is bisexual, she
hesitated and then replied that she doesn't call herself
bisexual and then she emphasized that she doesn't identify as
gay or straight either.
TEMENOS: Sandra Bernhard
predicted that Anne would 'go straight' shortly after she
hooked up with Ellen. I quote:
"Gay men are different. If they've been
straight and turn gay, they're gay, honey. But for chicks
it's different, especially if they're in show business. Even
when they're eating your pussy, they're still straight. I'm
just looking out for Ellen. Believe me, I'm concerned for
her. Because when the shit goes down, it's not gonna be
pretty."
Sandra was right about Anne, but is she right about other
women? Is bisexuality different for women?
MICHAEL: No, it's not different for women, except
it's a lot easier for women to be Bisexual than men. Gosh,
people still call Rupert Everett, David Geffen, Rock Hudson,
James Dean, Jann Wenner, Eleanor Roosevelt, Gertrude Stein,
Holly Near, Oscar Wilde (I could go on) GAY icons but the
reality is that all of them have had opposite-sex attractions
AND same-sex attractions, so that makes them BI-sexual. Sure,
maybe they settled on one type of sexual situation for a
majority of their lives, but the fact is that they've had
attractions for BOTH genders, and therefore are Bi.
How sad that all of Rock Hudson's girl liaisons now feel
idiots because they had great sex with the star? He wasn't
only gay, and we can't forget that. Will Anne's sex with Ellen
be merely a blip on her sexual experience chart and soon be
forgotten? Oh come on! Unfortunately, the world is more
forgiving with women, however, than with men in this.
ROBYN: Sandra Bernhard's comments annoy me. Why in
the world does she think it's ok to be catty and bitchy -
sorry, no offense meant to my four legged friends. I have been
appalled by the behavior SOME people in the gay community --
from day one -- toward Anne Heche. NOBODY has the right to be
mean to other people, or to trivialize their experiences.
Grrr.... Now I'll take a deep breath and get back to your
question: I'll disagree with Michael here and say that, Yes, I
believe that, on average bisexuality IS different for
women. Sexuality in general is different for women. Studies
have shown that women are more likely to experience their
sexual orientation as a fluid thing. Men are more likely to
experience their sexualities as fixed and not subject to
change. I don't agree with the way in which Sandra buys into
the gay/straight either/or trap. There are more sexual
orientations than just gay and straight. Some people are
attracted to people of only one sex, but many of us have more
varied attractions, either at the present time, or over the
course of our lives.
CASE STUDY TWO: THE DOWN LOW BROTHER
Temenos: Kai Wright's recent
article here at Temenos discussed a growing identity in the
black community. Black brothers on the 'down low' may fool
around with guys on the side, but keep up appearances and
often girlfriends, in the straight world. Are these guys
bisexual?
ROBYN: Behaviorally, yes. In terms of their
identities, apparently not. But they're not gay or straight
either. Their identity is something new, and probably varies a
lot from person to person.
MICHAEL: This article was a fantastic insight into a
growing issue in the communities of color, it's not only black
issue, but a cultural issue in Latino communities and very
common in Asian cultures as well. Of course, these people are
bisexual, but they'd never identify with a community or
movement. They are not "closet gay" folk as some people in the
G&L community would want to embrace, because they also
have successful sexual relationships with the opposite sex.
What's sad is that these people feel trapped because they are
not allowed to express themselves openly, and fear that if
they do they will be labeled only as one way (gay), and never
be able to have a successful heterosexual relationship again.
TEMENOS: Is the label bisexual
primarily a 'white thing'?
ROBYN: This may be true to some extent. But then by
this reasoning - all of these labels - gay, straight AND
bisexual - are "white things." In a lot of other cultures
outside the United States, and in some subcultures within the
United States these words are not so meaningful. If you are a
man in Mexico, for example, it is more important whether you
are a top or a bottom (activo, pasivo) than whether you call
yourself gay or bisexual or straight.
MICHAEL: Of course not, for the reasons stated
above, but the B word is a particularly white, upper class,
snob word, and that may be one of the reasons why people don't
want to identify with it.
ROBYN: I don't see the 'B Word' as a white, upper
class, snob word - at least not any more than the words 'gay'
or 'lesbian.' I see it as a word that has gotten very, very
bad press for a long time. People want things to be simple, to
be either/or. Ideas like bisexuality threaten people's false
sense of simplicity.
CASE STUDY THREE: NOT SO 'EX-GAY' JOHN PAULK
TEMENOS: By know, most of us
know John Paulk's story. He was a drag queen who sometimes
slept with guys. Then he turned 'straight' and married. But
just a few month's ago, HRC staffer Wayne Besen spotted him
hitting on guys in one of the sleaziest gay bars DC has to
offer. This guy obviously bats for both teams. Doesn't that
make him bisexual?
MICHAEL: Just because the guy isn't "doing it" all
the time doesn't mean he's not bisexual. Certainly dear John
is a bit mixed up with his orientation, as is all those people
who are trying to "cure" themselves of same-sex attractions.
Why can't they simply be considered monogamous bisexuals who
choose (because of religious grounds) to not have same-sex
sex. In all these discussions, the B-word is often forgotten
(or conveniently ignored), because it throws a whole new
dichotomy and argument into the situation. If Bisexuality were
considered OK, then why couldn't people like Paulk not be
"created" into heterosexuals, but instead be Bisexual? Once
again, it's a misunderstanding of the term. Being Bisexual to
most, is having sex with all sexes at the same time. That's
not true. Simply acknowledging your attraction to either
gender is enough to make you Bi.
ROBYN: Again, we need to make that distinction
between identity and behavior. Behaviorally, John Paulk is
obviously either gay or bisexual. In terms of his deep-down
attractions - he's the only one who can answer that question.
And the same goes for his identity.
TEMENOS: Speaking of HRC's Wayne
Besen, both sides of the ex-gay debate don't seem to want to
talk about bisexuality. Would our movement be stronger if
bisexuals were part of the ex-gay debate?
ROBYN: Yes. That's a no-brainer.
MICHAEL: Many folk in the gay and lesbian movement
fear bringing the B-word into the debate because people
misunderstand it. My experience is that people in the G&L
side misunderstand it more than in the hetero community. It's
unfortunate that many people in the queer hierarchy still
think of bisexuals as NOT being part of the community, but we
are, and so our situations and experiences must also be part
of the debate!
Robyn Ochs Editor, Bisexual Resource Guide , and
Lecturer at Tufts
University
ochs@bi.org
www.bi.org/~ochs
Michael Szmanski, Hollywood-based journalist and
entertainment writer, BiNet USA MemberMikeSzy@aol.com<